A debate between highsec miners, one of many that has been sparked by the presence of New Order's Agents.
Should miners make the economically rational decision of obeying the New Order, or should they refuse to pay out of principle?
Philosophical debates can last for centuries. In this case, those with the wrong beliefs end up exploding.
Miners don't just buy permits--they proclaim the New Order publicly, in their bios. It never ceases to rankle the rebel miners, because they can see the growing influence of the New Order with their own eyes.
This seems to be a big difference between those who hold permits and those who do not. Permit-holders are easygoing and pleasant. Rebels tend not to be.
Permit-holders don't much care whether someone else refuses to pay. But when rebels see someone else pay, it bothers them.
Ironically, the rebel miners--the ones who claim to be for freedom--tend to be the most controlling and judgmental toward others.
Even supposing a rebel miner gets away without paying his 10 million mining fee, he pays a greater price with high blood pressure, stress, and anger.
Yoona Meronym is like many rebel miners who comb through the bios of people they see in the ice fields. They become disgusted and enraged by what they see.
The rebels tell New Order Agents to leave miners alone, then they pester their fellow miners.
At first, rebels think that by not paying, they can starve the New Order for cash. Over time, that seems less practical.
From time to time, there are new plans for armed resistance, but they always end the same way.
It's a war of endurance. A miner may be willing to fight back for a day, or even for a week or two. But in time, they all come to the same conclusion. Mining is a long-term process. If a mining permit lasts for 365 days, is 10 million worth a year of trouble?
...And so the change continues to sweep across highsec.
'The Change in Highsec'
ReplyDeleteWhen I read that I thought the goons had decided to take over the New Order completely however I am glad they seem to have left James 315 in charge after all he should not be held accountable for the failings of his knights/agents.
The only point I see here is that we finally agree that James 315 is not a Goon's alt
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ReplyDeleteI would class James as still being a goon. I can't see why your so against that but if it makes you feel better we probably can agree he is closely aligned with goonswarm federation can't we?
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GoonFleet 2007.08.17 03:08 to 2010.04.24 21:02
http://themittani.com/features/highsec-rising-danger-safe-zone-eve
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I deeply respect Goonswarm. They make EVE a better game with their contributions. They beat BoB and they're the most prominent example of EVE's trademark, emergent gameplay. It's natural that they agree with the New Order, 'cause they too believe in a player driven EVE. I'm happy that they're finally following James' path.
DeleteI was referring to the annoying "Goon/Mittani alt" rebel mantra about James 315.
@Anonymous
DeleteI totally agree with you the Mittani and James 315 are totally different people. Although I think James is secretly quite flattered with the comparison James is certainly no Mittani.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/underling
From that statement, I can see that you really don't understand the culture at somethingawful.com.
DeleteJames is a Goon. In which I mean a member of the SA forums. If you go there you will find his user picture was bought for him by fans of his Let's play BF1942 thread. Search on youtube, it is excellent.
DeleteJames also used to be a goon, as in a member of LWTAX. Has he even joined CONDI yet?
The one thing I still don't get is how many people still ice mine - ATK permit holders and ATK rebellious whining miners both.
ReplyDeleteI haven't mined for quite a while so I may be out of date, but isn't ice worth around 6mil/hr in an exhumer, whereas you can get around 10mil/hr out of rocks in a barge - more if you make friends with a booster. I imagine it's quite a bit more with an exhumer.
Someone has to do it, the POS fairy can't do everything.
DeleteYea, but most folks who are ice-mining to feed a POS are not the kind of idiots who think going completely AFK is a good idea.
DeleteIt is a pity James didn't run for the CSM. Mining ice is optimised for doing AFK, while ever the game mechanics are such people WILL AFK ice mine. Mining asteriods is less AFK and will yield less than ice if not managed correctly.
Delete@Agent Trask
Ice mining to feed a POS is a idiot idea. Just buy the isotopes off the market and don't get into the 'i farmed for free' mentality.
I agree that ice mining is not time/cost effective.
DeleteNevertheless, a person in my main's corp who was tasked with POS maint did hid own mining.
And yes, I had him buy a permit.
Bobbins does NO pay you for all the space they're taking up in your head?
ReplyDeleteI've sent this enigma off to Bletchley Park!
DeleteI'm very pleased to see Legacy Of Kayne eventually purchased a permit, as I used to regularly have to escort his noone-at-the-controls spaceship to a safe spot quite some distance from the busy ice-mining space lane.
ReplyDeleteBut I'll bet my last isk he's STILL mining afk, N.O. bumper sticker or not.
I'm looking into high sec miner ganking. Do permit holders not tank their ships? Would be very interested in finding out.
ReplyDeleteBuying a permit does not means you can stop following the code. I mine in both a tanked procurer and a tanked retriever...well as much as you can actually tank a retriever. Tanking a mining vessel is part of the code - I do my best to follow the code. If I slip up that's my fault.
DeleteHaven't had much time to actually login, still follow the blog though :)
- Lina Vatta
As a permit holder, I mine in a skiff with all tank mods...cde rigs, tech 2 shield hardeners, dcuII, etc, except for 1 ice mining rig and 1 ice mining upgrade lowslot. I believe that as a permit holder one has a duty to do more than is necessary, as you are an example held up for those who have yet to see the light. Are there those permit holders who mine in full yield fit ships? Yes, and as long as they congratulate their gankers after being ganked, I believe they are still technically upholding the letter of the code. At that point you are in a gray area. Is the person mining untanked because they like to mine while aligned and face the a challenge of warping away in time? Are they mining untanked because of bot-aspirant isk-greed? These situations seem quite different, but the crucial difference, motivation, is not observable. Any permit holding miner who you successfully gank is required by the code to congratulate you with at the very least a 'gf'. I haven't done any kind of scientific observation comparing relative tank of permit holders, and non-permit holders, though. Anecdotally, it seems permit holders on average fit a much better tank.
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ReplyDeleteGod, bots are even posting comments now...
DeleteWhere I don't condone the actions of many of those who represnt as a part of CODE, I do appreciate where the sentiment against botters comes from. In that spirit, I must ask, what's a good low cost ship/fit for ganking a botter in HS? Cause I'm a miner myself and if pisses me off that these assholes don't play the game, and expect to get the same results as everyone else.
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