There were a lot of submissions for podkill of the week, all clustered around the 1 billion mark. shehulker's pod, worth 1.085 billion isk, narrowly beat them all. Agent Sara Arran wins!
Agent Fawn Tailor has faithfully continued the anti-Noctis effort. Tambou Rineman lost an unusually expensive Noctis, worth about a quarter billion isk with cargo included. Look at all of that tech II equipment, and all those tech II rigs. Tambou gave money to the sellers of all those items, but he wouldn't spare a penny for Fawn Tailor. His greed resulted in the loss of the isk he craved. Poetic justice goes "boom".
Persistence is the theme for the rest of the kills of the week. We begin with Josset Von-Klaud's totally untanked Mackinaw, which was destroyed by Agent Ophidia Black. It was brutally arrogant for Josset not to tank the ship, but there's nothing new there, so let's move on...
Yup. Less than an hour and a half later, in the same system, Josset was back at it with an untanked Hulk. Because apparently the lesson she learned from losing an untanked Mackinaw was to fly an untanked ship with even less innate EHP. Agent Ophidia Black returned to the scene and offered further instruction.
At first glance, MiKy MK cared a lot about his Hulk's shields. Despite using tech I mining lasers and laser upgrades, MiKy purchased a bunch of tech II shield extenders and shield rigs. If he had spent the extra 10 million isk on a mining permit, his only crime would have been being too busy to learn about shield resistances. Sadly, he spurned the one true authority in highsec. This earned him a quick death, delivered by Agents Charlie Jacobson, Sarah Vitilk, and Dave Ormanda. But the full horror of his bot-aspirancy had yet to reveal itself...
After his Hulk was destroyed, MiKy allowed his half a billion isk worth of implants to bob silently in space. He made no effort to return to station. Eighteen minutes later, after our heroes had waited out their aggression period, MiKy was still at the scene of the crime. Charlie Jacobson brought a Catalyst to pop the pod; Dave Ormanda and Sarah Vitilk expressed their displeasure with the bot-aspirant by bringing rookie ships in to assist with the podkill. Let this be a lesson to us all.
Just gotta ask, is your Anti-Noctis thing something regarding only rat salvaging, or is it also for people salvaging their mission sites?
ReplyDeleteBecause searching for keyword "Noctis" in your Code does not give any results.
There is a thread on the Noctis ship in the forum on this site, started by Fawn Tailor. Yes this includes all Noctis salvaging be it mission sites or belt rat salvaging.
DeleteIt is true that the Code written on the site does not directly talk about Noctis ships, however please refer to this quote from the Saviour Himself
"Since the Code is a living, breathing document, it's not possible to fully enumerate all of the rules. But here are some examples of the rules, to help everyone get a sense of its spirit:"
So in short you will need a permit or you will risk losing your Noctis!
So in short, not only do I need a permit to mine, I need a permit to salvage ships I destroyed in my own mission?
DeleteI'm sorry, but that just sounds absolutely retarded.
I'm fine with the mining permit thing, as I practically never mine. But having to pay for the privilege of using a ship, that's beyond retarded.
There is nothing to stop someone from using a simple Hurricane or Thrasher build from Salvaging, though at a lower rate from the Noctis, but using the Noctis itself is bad?
Nope, not getting a Permit for that. You are welcome to try to take it down though, if you ever where to visit my missions areas.
"There is nothing to stop someone from using a simple Hurricane or Thrasher build from Salvaging, though at a lower rate from the Noctis, but using the Noctis itself is bad?"
DeleteConsider that on this website before people have been posted mining in battleships as opposed to the 'better' exhumers you would typically find. Simply not using the optimal ship for the job does not guarantee you immunity although you are less likely to be scanned out if you are indeed salvaging in that destroyer.
The Noctis is simply more of a target because of its popularity and (usually) lack of tank.
You have a tanked Noctis? You are atk when you are salvaging wrecks and alert to NO activity? Few issues.
If you follow the Code? No issues.
But from what I can read from the forums, there is no guarantee at all, that despite buying a permit, that a Agent of the "Code" won't just blast you down.
DeleteThere is equal amounts of problems after buying a permit, as it is before buying a permit for a regular player in the game.
For bots, the game will be different as their algorithms can't really understand what a suicide gank is, and won't have any suspicion of when to pull out of a belt before a gank is coming.
So no, come down from the high horse thinking that the Code is better. It's just an excuse now by so called "Agents" to blast whomever they want for delicious tears from newbies or idiots.
In any case, nothing of this will affect me.
I just find the whole double standard thing absolutely hilarious.
I seldom see someone devote so much time cogitating over a simple matter while still managing to arrive at the wrong conclusion. Just buy a permit.
DeleteDear Alana.
DeleteIt doesn't take me much time at all.
And no. I won't buy a permit.
Why?
Because I see no reason to do so.
Supporting excuse makers is not something I intend to do.
Again, you are welcome to try to destroy any of my ships. Just don't bring up the "Code" as an excuse to do so.
If you want to suicide gank, be my guest.
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DeleteDear Anon,
DeleteWhile I appreciate you taking the time to give me permission to blow up your ship, your approval isn't necessary and never has been.
May it always be so.
xxooxx
Fawn
Supporting the New Order of Highsec in all of its activities is the right thing to do.
DeleteAs to the whole, "But from what I can read from the forums, there is no guarantee at all, that despite buying a permit, that a Agent of the "Code" won't just blast you down."
It is extremely rare that a miscommunication happens when it comes to permits. I can't think of a single incident that was actually happened. Every single time it has been someone who claimed that they had a permit when, in actuality, they did not have a permit.
Buying a permit is definitely worthwhile and works so long as one follows the Code.
You should take this opportunity to step up to the plate and support emergent gameplay and what EVE Online is really about. You have a defining moment for your EVE gaming life: to support emergent gameplay or to support botting.
Since you hide your identity due to fear this is something you will face every day that you play. What you decide to do is up to you but the opportunity is there to do the right thing and support the New Order. Just send 10 million ISK to Fawn Tailor (what is 10 million ISK anyway?) and you will be amazed at how you feel afterwards.
@Fawn
DeleteOh, never said you needed my permission, only that I won't really care if you try to destroy it.
@Eunoli
So Agent Awoxer comment about awoxing and not caring about them having permits do not count?
"Permit? I just start shooting whatever I can find. If they buy permits, that's their choice, but they're still gonna die. " - Agent Awoxer
I am sorry, but I will not support the Order as it currently stands.
I'm all for destroying bots, but when you start saying "I'll won't break your leg for 10m", it just starts getting iffy.
And it's not a matter of how much it is. God no it's not. 10m is earned in less than a minute if you know what the hell you are doing in local chat (AKA scamming).
I'm fine with scamming, but heavens no if I'll allow direct extortion on a massive scale.
And I remain anonymous, because I am able to. There is no reason for me to announce my characters name as it currently stands.
Tell you what though, as a random gamble, if I ever see Fawn or James in Local chat, I'll happily announce that it's me, where to find me and what ship I'm flying.
"So Agent Awoxer comment about awoxing and not caring about them having permits do not count?"
DeleteWhy would it count?
1. There is no pilot ingame named "agent awoxer". Is there a real pilot connected to the poster "agent awoxer", and if so, who is it? You are lacking this proof.
2. You are lacking the proof that this mystery pilot, currently unnamed, refers to himself as an agent of the New Order.
3. You are lacking the proof that this mystery pilot, currently unnamed, is regarded as an agent of the New Order by the New Order.
Your basic point is that some unknown pilot kills people whether or not they have a permit. I fully concede this point, and would add that this is true for thousands of people, not just this one. However, the New Order specifically targets high sec, and there mostly mining. The fact that thousands of pilots in EVE that stay mostly in nullsec would kill you regardless of having a permit is not relevant, if you're a highsec miner worried about being ganked in highsec by the New Order. Buy a permit, support emergent gameplay. Or don't, and cast your lot on the side of the bots. So simple.
First:
DeleteThe Mystery pilot for some odd reason uses the same image as Comor Dunathis.
And for some odd reason, Comor Dunathis is a New Order agent.
Second:
In one post, he said:
"The fact you got banned for botting because a new order agent saw it and spread the word means nothing more than the fact that we're doing our jobs. ", implying he is working with the Order.
Third:
He have been contracting Catalysts to New order Logistics, a rather substantial amount at that.
I remain unconvinced of your so called "Research".
My basic point is that there is absolutely nothing stopping a Order agent from destroying a permit owner, despite the permit owner following the Code to the dot.
Me giving the New order 10m in order to get a Permit for 1 year, and then having no direct absolute guarantee that Order agents won't blast me down "Just cause", isn't really a persuading offer.
As a gesture of good faith from me though, check the Ice belt in Teonusude.
You are bound to find a heft amount of bots there...it's crawling with delicious Retrievers and Orca's.
Just tossing out numbers of miners currently at that belt:
Delete1 Hulk, 10 Mackinaw's, 6 Orca's, 26 Retrievers and 1 Skiff.
Do with it as you like.
"The Mystery pilot for some odd reason uses the same image as Comor Dunathis."
DeleteIf I use the same picture as Chribba on a third-party website, am I Chribba?
"And for some odd reason, Comor Dunathis is a New Order agent."
Have any proof of this unsupported assertion?
""The fact you got banned for botting because a new order agent saw it and spread the word means nothing more than the fact that we're doing our jobs. ",implying he is working with the Order."
who said this and where?
"He have been contracting Catalysts to New order Logistics, a rather substantial amount at that."
Who is 'he', and what relevance does this have anyway?
"I remain unconvinced of your so called "Research"."
My 'so called "research" '? I never used the word research, this an obvious and bold lie on your part. Of course, this places the rest of your argument under serious doubt. At this point, I'm going to need a killmail of one pilot A killing pilot B, and a quote where James315 says that pilot B had a permit, and pilot A is a New Order agent, and that it's ok that pilot A killed B despite the permit. So far we don't even have a killmail, so we're at step zero.
Please do everyone a favor and READ THE FORUMS...and click on that big picture of Comor Dunathis up a the left corner.
DeleteYou make shame of the New Order in a whole new way.
yes Comor Dunathis is a shareholder, I'd already seen that...so am I, and I'm not an agent. :)
DeleteTry harder.
From his own bio:
Delete"I work for the greater good. Join the new order today!"
Set and point.
That's extremely similar to my bio, and I'm not an agent. :)
DeleteGame,set, and match.
Read how to become a Agent of the New Order.
DeleteGame, set and match on overtime.
But, then I wouldn't be able to kill permit holders, unless I logged onto one of my many alts.
DeleteGame, set, match, and your wallet.
Then you are a code breaker, and you should not at all talk down to others for breaking it.
DeleteGame, set, match and your empty ship.
You are 100% incorrect. Not only are non-agents allowed under the code to gank permit holders in high-sec, but permit holders are required by the code to congratulate me for successfully ganking them.
Delete"Upon being suicide ganked, a miner should congratulate the ganker on his success. A "good fight" or "gf" in local is customary."-The New Halaima Code of Conduct
Game, set, match, and your occupied ship.
In that you are a Order agent, in that you have done the criteria needed in order to become one, you are breaking the code, you just won't admit it.
DeleteGame,set,match and your ganking ship not hitting hard enough.
In that you can't form a proper sentence, in that you keep chaining run-on sentences together with an "in that", you are not making any sense, you just won't admit it.
DeleteYou aren't the arbiter of what makes someone an Agent, the Code is, and/or James315. Trying to usurp his place was slightly amusing, but not enough to justify writing or reading your words. 2/10 for a cheeky troll.
Well, you kinda did read the posts, and you did respond.
DeleteSo in terms of the troll scale, that alone is at least 4/10.
And since you continued for so long, that's a 6/10, 8/10 since you felt the need to correct the sentences.
My job here is complete. Fly long and well. May you gank and be ganked.
Going to have to take off a point for trying to grade yourself--which is kind of a thing with you, setting yourself as the arbiter of the code, grading your own trolls, etc. Revealing this deep-seated emotional need to sit in judgement means that in effect, you were the one being trolled by yourself--and "you continued for so long", so you were trolled hard by your own scale.
Delete1/10.
Oh hardly.
DeleteI don't even play EVE, so why should I care about anything regarding this whole "Let's gank miners" shit?
I just like to bother people.
That's exactly what I just said. Not very bright, are you?
Delete*claps*
ReplyDeleteWell done!
*puts on Gangnam style and dances*
eat my poop!!!!!
ReplyDeleteMiKy MK actually tried to bribe us into leaving him alone when he found out we'd killed his bot. He sent 250mil isk to Dave, and put a 250mil bounty on me. :D
ReplyDeleteI wish there was a way to log into an inactive account just to donate my assets to the New Order.
ReplyDeleteI have been an on-again-off-again player of Eve for the past 4 years. I am in love with it's lore, but this site, and James 315's actions have shown me that this game isn't for me. Rather than be a raging carebear that he oh-so-often features on this sight, I have found home with a game that is more my style.
But I gathered nearly a billion ISK of assets during my time in New Eden. Wish there was a way to log back in without re-subbing to put my stuff to good use.
You can.
DeleteJust activate the hours for PLEX and do it.
Can't promise that you can use it again after that though.
Ah, thanks!
Deleteperhaps you could also gift your space man to the new order since you won't be needing him anymore? You just have to find out on the eve website how to do it I think...
DeleteI believe that would cost a fee. Not willing to go that far.
DeleteWait! Before you send the money to James send it to Erotica 1 and have it doubled! A 2 billion isk donation is way better.
DeleteGratz Sara on your POD Kill well done.
ReplyDeleteBlack
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LMAO at both parties, the whinybears and the fail PvPers (gankers) with delusions of actually counting for something.
ReplyDeleteI love this site. :)
Forgive me for interrupting this lovefest but has anybody seen the ice belts recently? With record numbers of miners I can now declare that the New Order has FAILED. No doubt in some warped way you will convince yourselves that you have succeeded with these insignificant kill mails however I like my fellow miners have made quite a large fortune selling ice to your null sec masters in the last few weeks.
ReplyDeletePerhaps the New Order should revaluate the New Orders goals in the up coming expansion as it must suck so much to have failed so much.
Billions of ISK destroyed equals failure in your universe?
DeleteBut do go on. Your tears are still precious to us.
Success for the New Order would be everyone abiding by the code wouldn't it? Therefore there would be no kill mails. The more kill mails the bigger the failure of the New Orders agents.
DeleteHowever Agent Trask seems to think that the value of ganks = success. Is the Code that worthless to you. Just move these goal posts as I suggest then you can say truthfully how successful you are.
"Success for the New Order would be everyone abiding by the code wouldn't it?"
DeleteThat would be a success, but then the New Order could write another Code governing other areas/aspects, and move on to continue making EVE better in new ways. Just like the vast accomplishments of the New Order so far are a success, not 'the' success. If your mind is so small and limited that you can only handle the concept of one kind of success, then you're not intelligent enough to speak of the New Order with any relevance.
That's a remarkably naive outlook Bobbins. The New Order is entirely successful. They harvest billions of ISK from highsec and have fun doing it. They demand you follow the code because it enrages you, and "Your tears are still precious".
DeleteOk. I think we can agree that the reducing AFK mining and Bots has been a totally failure can't we Anony 7.01/7.06.
Delete'Just like the vast accomplishments of the New Order so far are a success'
Please enlighten me on these 'vast accomplishments'? Are they like successfully not getting elected to the CSM?
"Ok. I think we can agree that the reducing AFK mining and Bots has been a totally failure can't we Anony 7.01/7.06."
DeleteNo, we can't agree on that :)
"Please enlighten me on these 'vast accomplishments'?"
How much do you pay for religious instruction? Usually religion is expensive, but I'm prepared to accept larger pay than normal, due to my dislike for you.
Anony 8.06
DeleteTell me more. So when did you realise you were in this religion then?
Which religion?
DeleteIt would be interesting from an outsiders perspective to see what you consider success. Because when I do happen to go into HS I always see Bots, Bots and more Bots. And yet you claim to be expanding operation. If so, they are expanding also and at a faster rate. So that would indicate a shrinking in your total percent impact on HS mining. Which would indicate you are losing your engagement with the miners. Are they wearing you down. :P LOL.
DeleteAs for religion, it has no place here. It is an outdated mode of thought and as such is obselete.
By that logic, you have no place here either, yet here you are.
Delete