Remember Temara Ruk? Sure you do. She was on MinerBumping not very long ago, in fact. Where do you know her from, though? What's her gimmick again?
That's right, the exclamation points at the end of every sentence. She threatened Agent Alyth Nerun, vowing to gank him with a Hound. Then, when she didn't attack him, he asked where she went. She claimed the New Order made mining so unsafe that she ran out of isk for PLEX. She had no choice but to quit the game. Alyth told her why the Code is good and AFK mining is bad. She disappeared, having unsubbed from EVE.
Luckily, Temara eventually found some money to pay her subscription fee, and she returned to the game. Now she could spend her free time doing what she loves best: Mining in highsec and arguing with Alyth over EVEmail. She celebrated her return with another long rant about why she can't follow the Code.
Temara claims to love EVE. She "holds it dear". This presents an interesting philosophical question. Can you hold something AFK? Can you tell someone, "I love you, but I never want to be around you, ever"?
As Temara's essay continues, she articulates her view of how EVE is structured. EVE is split into four parts: highsec, lowsec, nullsec, and wormhole space. Highsec is where you go to make money AFK--while you simultaneously work at your job. Since she only has two hours of free time blocked off for playing EVE each day (an amount she calls "meagre", though some would envy it), she needs to grind isk while at work.
"I'm not the one breaking the economy," she says. We know that's not true. AFK miners are absolutely harmful to the EVE economy. And people playing video games at work probably aren't helping the real-life economy, either. That having been said, if you're enforcing the Code or reading MinerBumping at work, that's justifiable since it makes you a better person and therefore a better employee. Your employer benefits in the long-term.
To illustrate her point about how she's not hurting the EVE economy, Temara brought up the example of her neighbors. You see, she thought her neighbors were ruining things, but actually they were helping things. Even after hearing this story, I'm not convinced. I think a better analogy would be the story of the guy who thought he was helping things, but was actually hurting them.
Apparently, the way EVE is supposed to work is that you go to a corp and ask if they can afford a war. Then they say "no, we're just industrialists and we're all AFK", and you say, "okay, I won't declare war". Isn't consensual PvP fun?
FYI: If you really have a thousand EVEmails from people saying they're quitting the game due to the New Order, please forward them. I think they were meant for me.
Temara ends the rant on a surprisingly cheerful note. That's what I like to see. No more of this "I'm quitting in five days because I ran out of PLEX money" stuff.
I always knew Temara would return to us. She's not one to give up easily. Her bio still contains her favorite damage notification from way back in 2006. Her artillery did an astonishing 290 points of damage against an NPC, and she'll never forget it. EVE is real.
Is this the highsec Ripard Teg is fighting for?
ReplyDeleteIf there was a likes count yours would break the entire internet.
DeleteThank you.
Hey, you'd better be careful! If she catches you you'll lose your ship at a rapid rate with 290 DPs...lmao!!
ReplyDeleteHere we go again James can't read as it is written and must twist it so he can say that its bad.
ReplyDeleteWAKE UP JAMES, not everybody likes you. Let those people be posting whole blogs ont hem won't help them they don't give a flying rats ass.
Erotica 1, srsly shouldn't you go live in a cave about what you have done or may get a job at cia they need torturers.
Is it seriously that difficult to type out seriously?? Hold on let me check... Seriously? Nope worked fine for me. Maybe you have some broken keys??
DeleteWell, Mrm Phoenix Bibbs, since you pointed out a spelling error in Anonymous 8:25 PM's post, I think that's the only thing that you can argue about because he has you and every other CODE lackey by the balls on that argument.
DeleteWe are legion. We are strong. The CODE will fail. The CODE will fall. A free highsec is worth fighting for.
He hardly has anyone by the balls, let alone the CODE.
DeleteIt's not even an argument. It's barely even legible. Far as I can tell, his biggest stab is that not everyone likes James 315 and a libelous stab at Erotica 1. We all know that torture is forced, right? No choice involved? Do we all know that Sohkar, the man everyone was up in arms about thanks to Ripard Teg, also agrees with us that it wasn't torture? He doesn't even consider it a big deal and, in his own words, it hardly entered his mind after it happened. It's literally impossible to torture someone, mentally or physically, in a video game.
If you think that it is possible, you're obviously taking things a little too seriously. Why don't you take a month-long (or forever-long break) and tell us how you feel after that?
He wasn't pointing out a spelling error. He was pointing out that the previous poster deliberately used a shortened version of a word that is completely unpronounceable and painful to read. As for the argument, I didn't see one. I saw an accusation. STOP THE PRESSES, MINERBUMPING IS BIASED!
DeleteAlso, I'm trying to figure out who you are. None of the anti-New Order rebel groups are large enough to use the word legion in anything except jest, and none are particularly strong. You could claim that the people that disagree with us are legion, but you'd need more than 2% of them to be at their keyboards to do anything significant about it.
Fly dangerously.
Lol.
DeleteOh look, another player pretending to be me lol I've seen a few of those in the last few days, how adorable.
DeleteOh dude, it's been hilarious. Erotica 2 actually tried joining Krypteia. Probably angry his Ero 2 for CSM thread was locked down, need more legitimacy, lol.
DeleteButthurt Miner from Carebears United again with another trollific update. James 315 and his CODE lackies are lying through their teeth about the mining permits. If it wasn't for the permits, then they would be classified as griefers and CCP would take action against him. Look what they did to Erotica 1 with his homosexual voice in the bonus room.
ReplyDeleteAnd if you don't believe me about CODE lies, check this out.
I think that says it all. So if you buy a mining permit, then you are buying into their protection racket. Deny them their protection. When you don't pay for a mining permit, it's one more nail in the coffin of CODE. One more step for CCP to take action against these griefers. Just remember what happened to Erotica 1 when the community was pissed off. James 315 is next.
BTW, how's that war coming along with To The Stars? I see they are kicking your ass. Even Break-A-Wish Foundation abandoned you. Did they break it off on their own, or did you stiff them like you've been stiffing the miners for over a year now?
We are legion. We are strong. The CODE will fail. The CODE will fall. A free highsec is worth fighting for.
Dear Anon @ 9:40
DeleteI sense you are angry, want to talk about it?
- Guybertini
Don't use homosexual as an insult in game, you might get banned.
DeleteOh no, Anon 9:40 has evidence of a whole one instance of a non-AFK pilot being killed!
DeleteFor the record Anon, lots of pilots deny being AFK while actively telling us they were AFK. "I wasn't AFK, I was on the phone!" That sort of thing. Did the accuser have the mining permit in his bio? Did the accuser deny convo attempts? Did the accuser tell his ganker that he wasn't AFK? Did the accuser follow the code? From the sounds of it, I wouldn't say that he did.
We should also remember that the code is far more than buying a permit and refraining from AFK mining. For instance, how was his ship fitted? Was it fitted for tank? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that it wasn't. And, failing to be tank fit is an easy way to show our gankers your bot-aspirant colors. Only a bot-aspirant believes themselves perfectly safe in highsec. Another thing, if the accuser wasn't AFK then why did he allow a ganker to approach him? Our ships have awfully low effective ranges and I'm sure he had more than enough time to depart.
It seems to me, Anon, that your "evidence" is in fact a lie itself. I find that the guilty often attempt to absolve themselves of blame. That doesn't mean, however, that they are guiltless.
You do realise that the way you are saying the code is lying in regards to - Leo
Deletehttp://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=2588411&view=losses&m=3&y=2014
He lost his retriever in low sec.
You seem to be misunderstanding the need for permits. The NO only needs to offer to sell the permits for there to be potential gain, and those permits are only needed for bumping, given that ganking can make isk from the loot dropped. Miners refusing to buy the permits legitimises the consequences.
DeleteShizuka Mena
Hey genius at 9:40: CCP told James he had to ask for money for minerbumping to not be griefing. Why do you think it's only 10M for a year instead of 100M? It's not about the money. Permit fees are chump change. Most of CODE funds are from donors who like seeing impotent carebear tears like yours.
DeleteOh such delicious responses to my troll. Boy you guys are easy. I even SAID it was a troll and you still fell for it.
DeleteI think I found the real reason as to why the failure of highsec calls himself James. 2 possible reasons actually. Either James is his REAL first name (some people use their real names in game) or James 315, playing a scifi space game, fancies himself as being James T. Kirk from Star Trek: The Original Series.
"Most of CODE funds are from donors who like seeing impotent carebear tears like yours." For your information, I don't give a shit about you, the CODE, carebears, or whatever. I play the game the way that *I* want to. If I want to fail fit my ships and fly them, then I will. As for tears, well guess what? You have ZERO tears from me because I'm an old internet troll who's been baiting you and everyone else here for while now. I even tell you guys that I am a troll, that the post is a troll, and you still give me delicious responses. Don't you people get it? I AM TROLLING YOU. If I have to say that James 315 and myself have buttsecs every night to get a response, I will. If you haven't figured that out yet without me telling you, you have issues beyond what is evident here.
We are legion. We are strong. The CODE will fail. The CODE will fall. A free highsec is worth fighting for.
"We should also remember that the code is far more than buying a permit and refraining from AFK mining. For instance, how was his ship fitted? Was it fitted for tank? "
DeleteGanking catalysts aren't fitted for tank though, surely agents must follow the code and lead by example?
And seeing as they now seem to cover an increasing number of situations why call them mining permits? Seems a little misleading with all the other rules.
Good luck uniting AFK players to your cause.
Deletegee, you think that guy is trolling?
DeleteOf course I am trolling. You should see my trolling resume as I've actually had people pay me to troll in the past. It's a job that I like, and every post that you guys give me makes me like it even more so. Lanaya Lennelluc game me 50 response points for his/her response.
DeleteWe are legion. We are strong. The CODE will fail. The CODE will fall. A free highsec is worth fighting for.
sorry, not getting it can you speak a little more clearly?
DeleteNo, it isn't the same for our gankers. The difference being we know we're going to lose our ships and they're fitted with that knowledge. Our ships will always blow up, good gank or not. The bot-aspirant fails to fit tank because of greed and a belief that they are always safe in highsec. The ganker does not fit tank because doing so is a detriment to bringing justice to bot-aspirants and they already know that they're the flying dead.
DeleteAnd the permits always covered the fact that having one won't save you if don't also follow the code. It's not new and never has been.
And at Anon 1:13? You're an awful troll. It's been very apparent. I should note that, with your need to say "haha you fed me!" as opposed to actually refuting or debating our arguments you are weakening your own stance. As far as I can tell, the extent of your Legion is one guy posting a lot on these forums. And not even well-thought good posts, just jabs at sexuality and lots of "I'm a troll!" That's not awfully impressive or legion-y, is it? However, this attitude of yours does not preclude your salvation. Should you wish it, you can still be saved.
oh.
ReplyDeleteSo is Jimbo going to man up and attend Fanfest?
ReplyDeleteNothing 'manly' about showing up at a gathering of sheltered nerds who are celebrating their love of internet spaceships.
DeleteWhere on the mackinaw did the bad gankers touch you?
DeleteI don't fly a Mack. I go around in a battleshit popping CODE gankers who have security status -5.0 and lower. A battleshit is a battleship that causes the gankers to soil themselves when it locks onto them.
DeleteAnd in case you're wondering, I do not even have the skills trained to fly a mining barge. If I need to mine so I can make ammo or something, I'm limited to a venture.
So Temara unsubbed / resubbed and you are on her / him again?
ReplyDeleteThis is so close to harassing as it ever gets. Guys, you still so stupid? Ah forget it, rethorical question, of course you are! :)
He / she left the game and came back, thats more then changing the system.
Check this erotica1 sociopath: overdo it and you get banned.
:)
Seems to me from the wording that SHE was the one who contacted Alyth again. It's not exactly harassment when she's the one initiating it.
Deletethis harassment is fine, it's in game harassment/bullying. That's part of EVE. I hate CODE and their players, not the person behind the computer
DeleteThough they do like to insult people's intelligence and mental ability, basically say you are mentally deficient all the time and calling it courteous
~LSM
I actually never even encountered her in space. She was in local when she wrote the first mail, but since then it is only mail exchange.
DeleteI just answer to the mails she sends me because I think that's the polite thing to do. And as you can see I always stay polite and try to help. If you think that is harassment then you should probably shutdown your internet router and don't leave the house, because even Hello Kitty Online will be too harsh for you.
I am not a sociopath, I simply take advantage of the gullibility of slow witted gamers that can't be bothered to use the common sense and basic life skills they have. In fact...they actually deserve to be take advantage of. Nothing sociopathic about it, purely opportunistic. :)
ReplyDeleteLack of, or low empathy for victims and what sounds like no remorse sound pretty sociopathic to me.
DeleteThis person is pretty clearly not actually Erotica 1
Delete...whatever, miner bumping isn't PvP as the 'victim' can't defend or retaliate - doesn't matter how much you try to argue it is - I have my opinion very clear on this matter.
ReplyDeleteIf only was an alliance/corp to stop New Order or any other griefing corp (not sure they deserve the label pirates), would join for fun, even though I don't mine much - I do enjoy PvP, at least going against gankers has a purpose other than blood lust, and surely then you can call it PvP.
Anything related to player versus player is technically PvP (Player-versus-Player). So yes, if you catch a ganker mid gank and attack said ganker, you have now participated in a form of PvP. The ganking of miners also falls under PvP as well since both ships are "piloted" by a player of the game. Anything involving A player versus another player is considered PvP; this even includes, but not limited to, forum warrioring and market trading.
Deletesorry killing and ship unable to fight isn't players versus player, if you go with the definition of versus being 'in opposition to', 'competing in a sporting manner' - and since its a game, a competition, miner ganking isn't PvP - and if using versus under other terms to justify it (though even in legal terminology vs has a defense side to be legal proceedings), the justification of it is just an excuse, not how they wish to see themselves.
DeleteI think you need to study more before you take the space lawyer bar exams. The simple fact of the matter is that war has been declared on the bots and the bot-aspirants. That is exactly PvP. The fact that the bot-aspirants don't fit their ships correctly, fly without combat support, and AFK just means they are acting like sheep being led to slaughter. If that's how they want to RP, I have nothing against it, but some of these people really go overboard into their role: crazy indignance.
DeleteUnless of course, by saying that ganking AFK miners isn't PvP, you mean that the bot (aspirant) doesn't qualify as an actual player. If so, I applaud your Jamaican-style space lawyering.
Anonymous is right, you guys. For it to be PVP, our targets would ha e to actually be PLAYERS.
DeletePerhaps PVC is more accurate? Player verses carebear?
-Galaxy Pig
I won't be attending the space law exams just this year, my experience is space is new and limited - however you using the concept of PvP in a different way as I do, and that's fine - but mine gankers arguments are just petty excuses, not actually seeking anything other than a cheap and easy kill. I don't mine, I don't care that much - found this blog and find it mildly amusing and even educational, but the more I read the less I agree with what it stands for - a lie.
DeleteA carrier that gets alphaed off the field by a drive-by doomsday also has no practical ability to fight back, and unlike a miner, there's no invincible NPC police coming to its rescue if the titan pilot(s) miscalculated its EHP. Is that also not PVP? What about a small gang that gets ambushed by a gang five times its size? How about when a small-time trader speculates on a stack of expensive merchandise and a whale swims by and deliberately crashes the price? Also not PVP?
Deleteah, different situations, I'm not saying its all black and white - I stated my was my opinion and feeling in the matter - my choice in opinion, the same way my choice is not to go asking for permits of a self-righteous code. War isn't fair, and when a crushing army take over a small one, is that, war. Then they're is systematic bombing of civilians - or in EVE terms a miner. Of course this is a terrible example, but just used to illustrate an scenario. I'm not saying I put gankers in the same category as bombing civilians, just discussing the views of what they consider PvP and feel so honorable about it. I haven't said any of your view are entirely wrong - you just fail to a different point of view - and its their views of vs I'm discussing. Still my opinion.
DeleteHi-sec miner bumpers go searching for an easy target, is not like the found it by chance in low/non-sec area - I guess that's why anonymous feels its so an unworthy kill?
DeleteWell, apparently playing video games at work is bad
ReplyDeleteWell, apparently playing video games at work is good
It just depends if you're distracting yourself this way or that way that makes the difference.
Even if mining is less distracting because it doesn't require full attention at all times unlike ganking would. But for some reason it's better when you're not working. But who cares for logic
~LSM, and I don't know how you're going to argue against this to make sense