However, if you were to continue asking "How about that New Order, eh? They do a lot of elite PvP?", you would eventually run into a highsec miner who answers your question honestly. He or she would reply with some variation of, "Oh, yes. Very much so."
It's common knowledge that Code enforcers are elite PvP'ers. But just how elite are they? It's difficult to get a reliable subjective take on this, because the EVE community is built upon a foundation of bluff and bluster. A carebear grinding away in a 0.7 system claims to be an alt of an important person; a miner who spends all his time sucking away at ice anomalies in highsec claims he's "not a miner". Powerless gank victims vow to destroy the New Order "eventually", or they claim to have a fleet of Phoenixes or Tornadoes en route to the system, that they have 100 spare Orcas, etc., etc.
So let's talk numbers instead. If we put aside the subjective measurements in favor of objective ones, we find unequivocally that the New Order is ridiculously elite.
Just the other day, a CODE. corp, The Conference Elite, was listed by zKillboard as the fifth-killingest corporation in EVE. They have fewer than 60 members; most who out-kill them have many thousands of members. But corporations have long been eclipsed by alliances. Let's look at some alliance stats.
CODE. (or the punctuation-friendly "CODEdot"), an alliance with a large fraction of the New Order's Agents, inflicted over 650 billion isk in the month of May. That's a lot of dead bot-aspirants. The New Order is long past the days when people said we didn't exist, or that we were all the alts of one person, or that we didn't matter. We're even past the point where people can ignore us. We simply inflict too much damage. It would be like nullsec dwellers saying, "Stop giving The Mittani so much attention and he'll go away."
Let's put that 650 billion into context, by looking at the stats of some nullsec alliances you might've heard of. CODEdot inflicted slightly more damage than Brave Collective, the Brave Newbies' alliance, which has 9,500 members. TEST Alliance Please Ignore, which a year ago was the largest sovereignty-holding alliance in nullsec, also did less damage than CODEdot.
By larger margins, CODEdot out-killed the big sov-holders you might be familiar with from the nullsec influence map: Alliances like The Initiative., RAZOR Alliance, Fatal Ascension, Against ALL Authorities, and Curatores Veritatis Alliance. CODEdot inflicted nearly the same amount of damage as aspiring elite PvP powerhouse Black Legion.. Looking at the lowly renters, CODEdot inflicted more damage than Brothers of Tangra and Northern Associates. combined, which claim sov over roughly half of nullsec. CODEdot even managed to inflict almost half as much damage as the most powerful alliance of all, GoonSwarm Federation.
Of course, those numbers are very misleading. Because killboards give alliances in coalitions full credit for all of each other's kill-assists, the nullsec alliances' stats are vastly inflated. Accounting for this, CODEdot inflicted far more damage. Smaller, more independent entities such as Rote Kapelle and Dirt Nap Squad.--which are your prototypical self-described nullsec elite PvP'ers--were out-killed by CODEdot by a factor of 8 and 13, respectively. Some of CODEdot's individual pilots inflicted more damage in solo kills alone than those entire "elite PvP" alliances.
What's the point of all this? Just some food for thought. If you're planning on mining in an untanked Retriever, take some time to consider what you're up against. Do the math. Then come to your senses and obey the Code.
LOOOL
ReplyDeleteHi-fives all around!
Doesnt even consider what we gankers do for the people where the target is worth less than the catalyst. Principle matters!
ReplyDeleteMy proudest moment in Eve was leading this fleet. Three days after that article, the Knights were formed.
ReplyDeleteThe rest is history.
Keep riding the conference elites coat tails kid.
DeleteI was there! One small step for a minerbumper, one giant leap for Highsec.
DeleteThose were good times!
Delete@Anon 05:36 - riding your coat tails 2 years ago? LOL.
GOD BLESS THE NEW ORDER AND SARAH PALIN
ReplyDelete...did James 315 just go full-on Gevlon Goblin?
ReplyDeleteYou never go full-on Gevlon Goblin.
Yes he did.
DeleteMore like come to your senses and unsub.
ReplyDeleteBest decision I ever made.
You won't be missed, so that wasa good decision for everyone.
DeleteWe don't need bots and bot-aspirants playing the game. If they all unsubbed the community would improve immensely.
Thank you for doing the right thing.
Deleteand Eve is a better place for the unsub, thank you
Deletesounds like someone is jealous and wishes they could be an elite pvper too.
ReplyDelete@ROTFLMAO
ReplyDeleteThe whole minerbumping thing is based on pretence and giving the impression of delusional grandeur and self importance. So when J315 talks about them being elite PvPers, he doesn't really believe that and neither do and CODE agents. They will protest strongly that they do, but that's their job - they have to keep up the pretence at all costs. Why you ask? Because it's their foundation, their rock for what they do - tear collection. Their pretence of grandeur amplifies the quantity of tears significantly.
Signed, ex-CODE operative.
One day flying through Osmon after one of my many boredom-induced breaks from the game I stopped and marveled at the local channel. The cause? Some little upstart band of merrymakers calling themselves the New Order who ran around in Stabbers bumping miners.
ReplyDeleteI have to admit at the time I found the idea ludicrous. I have to admit that at the time I saw little point to what this upstart group was doing. It wasn't that I didn't support their stated goals, only that I thought it would be a short-lived fad that wouldn't ever be capable of changing the face of hisec. I was already far too disillusioned by what I saw in hisec whenever I subbed up and logged in to believe that anything about it could actually be changed for the better.
But Osmon's local chat was entertaining that day, and so I parked my ubiquitous Orca off a station and watched and listened. Despite what I saw as the flaw in the plans of these handful of New Order bumpers -- channeling the spirit of Don Quixote and tilting at windmills -- the responses they got from the denizens of the Osmon belts was hilarious, and it looked like a jolly good time.
It was a good few months later that I approached James after the formation of the Knights and made a suggestion of using a defunct alliance I still had control over -- Zantiu-Braun Alliance -- to help put to rest some accusations that carebears were flinging around about New Order agents not being wardec'able, and to make tracking the efficiency of these new Knights a little easier.
It wasn't a month or so later that I closed Zantiu-Braun, dropped a meager billion ISK, and CODEdot was born. A much more appropriate name for the New Order's alliance.
I can only take credit for pressing a couple buttons and investing the ISK, but I still consider it to be one of the most exciting moments of my EVE career. If I hadn't done it someone else would have at some point. It was a natural progression of things, after all, a natural escalation in the New Order's increasing presence within HiSec. But I couldn't help feeling like a proud new mother on that day, and I still get a little sentimental about it.
I've long since realized that I might have been wrong about one very important thing when I approached James 315 and proposed the concept of the alliance. I might have been wrong in those early days thinking that little upstart organization was just a fad that in time would pass.
Going on a year and a half later, it hasn't. It has continued to grow and expand. Detractors can say all they want about the the quality of PVP that CODEdot brings to their ice and asteroid belts, to their AFK freighters and jump freighters... I've always been a numbers person myself and I think the numbers speak for themselves. The New Order has long been a presence in HiSec that players *have* to be aware of and take notice of, and the numbers -- cold, hard, irrefutable numbers -- bears this claim out.
I'm unsubbed far more than subbed these days but I would like to pass on to James 315 and every New Order agent who has ever jumped into a bumpy Stabber or a CONCORD-doomed Catalyst my sincere thanks. My entire EVE career was spent running around and stirring the proverbial HiSec pot in one way or another, but all my antics combined doesn't amount to a hill of beans compared to the pride I've taken in pressing a few buttons and typing out the name CODEdot one day a year and a half ago. You all have made the New Order, and consequently CODEdot, what it is today -- a looming juggernaught of destruction for those who still fool themselves into believing EVE is a single player game and a vehicle of change for the game as a whole.
James 315, my thanks for allowing me to play a minor role in the history of the New Order. Agents and Knights, my thanks for making the New Order, and CODEdot, what it is today. Whether subbed or not I look forward to watching the New Order continue to change the landscape of hisec one antimatter round at a time.
I remember that unsuspecting day in Osmon where my talking to a suspected Code violating miner loitering in their orca took that twist. I could never had known that, that one conversation could have led to so much.
DeleteI remember it fondly.
Mono
That was beautiful, Aria!
DeleteI remember that day as well, Mono. I remember being gifted a Fleet Issue Stabber that was sitting out in Amarr space. And I remember going to fetch it in my Orca. I also remember how I *forgot* to remember I was at -7 standing with Amarr. That was my first day involved with the New Order... losing an Orca to faction navy due to my own carelessness.. *laughs*
DeleteThat Fleet Issue Stabber still sits in my hangar, still with the original fittings you suggested.
You people do realize that 'elite PVP' is an insult, right? Apparently not.
ReplyDeleteYou take everything you read seriously? Apparently so.
DeleteLol everyone patting themselves on the back for loyalanon and his corporations hard work
ReplyDeleteHonestly, every Agent, Knight, Shareholder and supporter should be patting themselves on the back for the success of the New Order. It's because of everyone that involves themselves in the salvation of HiSec that the New Order has grown as it has and become the catalyst for a growing number of changes within HiSec.
DeleteIt started with one man and a vision. I'm talking about James 315, of course. I can't say that the mechanics involved were all that original: bumping bot/macros has been done since... well... as long as I can remember. Bumping was a common method utilized by the Anti-Macro channel community. Encouraging miners and industrial corporations to purchase mining permits wasn't anything new either. Heck, I did that with an old wardec corp of mine and it wasn't an original idea even then, way back when.
What was original, and remains so today, was the purpose, the packaging, the dedication and the minerbumping.com website. James put together a great strategy for mainstreaming these activities, raising support for them through shareholders and raising awareness of a shadow that had fallen across the HiSec starscape in an exceedingly fun and entertaining way.
I believe if not one other person had joined as Agents of the New Order that James would still be out there in his bumpy Stabber doing exactly what he started doing two years ago. And we'd still all be reading those fun and entertaining stories.
But other people took up the fight along with him. Agents like Bing. Like Mono. Like Admiral Root. I'm sure I'm forgetting a great number of those earliest agents, the ones who inspired me to get involved one day in a little system called Osmon. And inspired a lot of other people as well. They deserve to pat themselves on the back for supporting a fledgling movement in it's earliest days that most people thought would be here one day, and gone the next.
And for all the Agents who became Knights the day James announced the beginning of ganking operations, they too deserve pats on the back. Dozens of people either took time off skilling their mains to create dedicated ganking pilots or began entirely new accounts for the purpose. Those earliest Knights helped move the New Order in a new direction, and attracted the attention of like-minded pilots.
Black Skull came along, with his New Order Death Dealers, originally an Anti-Order operation and stepped it up a notch through his amazing recruiting ability, long hours and hard work. Black Skull, and all the NODD pilots past and present deserve to pat themselves on the back as well.
And today there is Loyalanon and The Conference Elite. Loyalanon has stepped things up yet another notch. Or three.
Next year it may very well be a different player and a different corporation who is at the forefront of New Order operations, but the way I see it every pilot who has ever flown as a Agent or Knight of the New Order deserves their share of the credit, whether it's the guy who popped one Retriever one day and moved on or Loyalanon and his crew who are racking up trillions worth of non-compliant pilot kills.
Each and every one of them has in some way helped bring us from just one man and his Stabber to one of the "killingest" alliances in EVE Online.
So I don't see anything to lol about at the idea of everyone patting themselves on the back for the success of the New Order. They all played a part at one time or another. Just as many more will play their part in the coming months or possibly even years.
I nominate Aria to be the official in-house historian and biographer of the Order.
DeleteHear! Hear!
DeleteI'm honestly surprised that more people haven't figured this out Mr. C
ReplyDeleteThere are no defenseless players in EVE, except for those players who willfully choose to be defenseless. In the real world, we tend to refer to such people as willfully ignorant. It is the players who pilot the ships who determine how survivable a ship is, not the ship hull itself.
ReplyDeleteI am a carebear. Through and through. Despite enjoying stirring the pot when I'm subbed and logged in, I rarely stir the pot directly. I prefer to do so through proxies. 99% of the time I'm sitting in my "defenseless" Orca. My corpies, all miners/industrials, spend the vast majority of their time in "defenseless" Mackinaws munching on rocks or "defenseless" Ventures inhaling various gases (no wonder they mine... ingesting weird chemicals will do bad things to the brain, people). On rare occasions they might jump into a "defenseless" industrial to haul this or that around or "defenseless" shuttles for traveling with increased rapidity.
Despite all these "defenseless" ships, none of my pilots have ever been ganked? Is it because they work in systems that are devoid of other players? In systems that have a sec status that keeps most gankers away? No, they work in a bustling 0.5 system that often has gankers (New Order and otherwise) moving through it. Yet, aside from having to awox a corpie twice a couple years ago, my pilots have remained safe and secure in the same ships they've had for years.
What's the secret? They're not defenseless. They, as players, are not defenseless despite the sub-par (or no, in the case of their freighters) tanks and offensive capability their ships are capable of fitting. They have girded their loins in *knowledge*. Donned the bracers of alignment and the helm of helm of awareness. Finally, they've taken up the shield of a mining permit. No one of these things protects them fully, but when combined together tends to make a player a damn hard target for gankers.
(As an aside, I really should look up the passage from Corinthians that that above bit was based on, and actually make it fit in a biblical style, just for the fun of it.)
There are numerous ways to play EVE Online. You *can* autopilot your multi-billion ISK jump freighter through 0.5 HiSec systems *known* for heavy ganking activity. You *can* send your sub-par tanked Mackinaw out to mine for you in the local asteroid and ice belts while you go watch YouTube videos of kittens trapped behind nightstands. You *can* autopilot your shitfit interceptor with 4 billion ISK worth of cargo from one side of the universe to the other. You *can* have no standards of recruiting for your corp, or join a corp that has no recruiting standards.
These are the choices that players make that make them defenseless. Choices they make, in a game where the choices you make tend to have consequences. They don't *have* to be defenseless. They simply *choose* to make themselves defenseless. In the real world, we'd refer to such fine folks as willfully ignorant, shake our heads at their folly and move on down the street.
There are no defenseless ships in EVE. Whether it's the Avatar sitting all safe and sound behind it's POS shield or the unfitted, low EHP of your common shuttle, the survivability of ships within EVE are, by far and large, determined by the pilots who occupy them. A "defenseless" ship is only made that way by the pilot operating it.
I'll never convince you, or any of the other wonderful players of EVE who believe as you do that "bad people" pick on "good people" in "defenseless" ships who have no ability to "protect" themselves.
But my inability to convince you or others doesn't make your view of things any more true. It just means that you, like the others, have been sucked into the belief that HiSec should be safe rather than just safer, and that players should only have to interact with other players if they *choose* to.
Masturbation on killboard stats.
ReplyDeleteLame.