In days past, PvP'ers engaged in lots of profane, insulting, juvenile smacktalk. Our Agents have made things so much better. Agent Tisiphone Dira came across a carebear in the Hek system and politely requested the money she was owed. However, John ShadowKnight wasn't ready to join modern highsec. He proudly identified himself as an internet tough guy.
John's caveman attitude was a direct challenge to the New Order. No wonder he lost his pod.
The destruction of John's capsule caused him to lose his temper. He tabbed out of the private convo with Tisiphone and made his feelings known in Hek local:
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John's comments in local didn't qualify as a "GF", Tisiphone felt. Although our Agents are tolerant people, it's their job to pass judgment on the carebears. Someone must make sure the Code is being followed, otherwise all highsec is lost.
Despite his claims not to be a miner, John couldn't resist uttering Miner Bingo quotes. If he were to be believed, he went AFK and autopiloted in a pod to "relax and have fun". Admittedly, bot-aspirants are easily tempted by the lure of automated gameplay. If they weren't, we wouldn't need rules against that sort of thing.
As time went on, John became more and more resentful about the loss of his pod. He vowed revenge against Tisiphone and everyone else in CODE. He went so far as to say he'd kill our pods, even though pods are ships that can't shoot back.
Tisiphone knew in her heart that if the carebear would only read the Code (or listen to Sasha Nyemtsov read it), it would calm him down. But John wouldn't read it, and he wouldn't calm down.
John's vengefulness and hostility grew. He would only be satisfied by killing Agents of the New Order. Sadly, this proved to be beyond him.
More than an hour after his pod was destroyed, John continued to rant and rave. He was completely unwilling to trust Tisiphone to honour her promises--though she had only ever told him the truth. (And ganked him.)
John finally terminated the private convo, claiming all the fun of EVE had been ruined for him. Clearly, he didn't feel blowing up spaceships was a fun part of the game. He only enjoyed AFK grinding in highsec. And as for the pod gank that had angered him so?
...It was empty. Should it surprise us that a highsec carebear would get so worked up about an empty pod? Not really. You see, for a bot-aspirant who only grinds isk and never tastes emergent gameplay, the entire EVE experience is empty.
We should always remember that there are tens of thousands of highsec carebears--perhaps hundreds of thousands--whose life in EVE is as empty of John ShadowKnight's pod. Before the New Order, such players had no hope. Three million MinerBumping hits later, things are a lot better. But we still have a long way to go.
One can only hope that in time, all of highsec will see the true path. I'm always inspired by stories of lone knights enforcing far away high sec areas that have until recently been completely untouched. Let us all pray for these solo missionaries as they set out on their path to greatness and hope the word of code is spread far and wide.
ReplyDeleteAmen, brother.
DeleteSpread the word.
Deleteas a ShadowKnight it's understandable he would hide from the light but one day he may learn to embrace it.
ReplyDeleteWhy would he need to say "gf", when he was (auto)piloting a capsule and could not actually fight? Getting beaten up does not count as fight, let alone as a good one.
ReplyDeleteYou obviously have not read the Code. Which, by the way, always wins!
DeleteCan't answer the question?
DeleteAny fight involving a code knight is a good and honourable fight.
DeleteI already told you, it wasn't a fight.
DeleteIt's a fight if somebody shoots. If the target doesn't shoot back, it was his fault for not bringing a gun or a friend with a gun.
DeleteUmm... no it isn't. It's a fight if both shoot.
DeleteOr, according to last blog entry, sending drones is enough:
"The mouthy Orca pilot sent some serious combat drones against him, so it was a real fight."
From that we can conclude that it would've not been a real fight if he had not sent drones. Or is he lying?
Anon@10:56
DeleteSo if a blackbird or other ECM ship participates in a scuffle, it's not a fight?
Was there blackbird or other ECM ship in this particular "fight"?
DeleteI'm confused then, is a wild west shoot out where one guys too slow on the draw now called a 'dishonourable gank' and the winners now a dick? Or is it still called a fight and you were just too shit? I'm confused.
DeleteCapsule traditionally is not armed, so this was not any kind of shoot out. It was not a fight. Why does he need to say "gf"? Simple question, but apparently no one can answer it, but instead try to derail the topic.
DeleteWe've already answered it. But for those slow on the uptake, I'll answer it again. I'll spell every logical step out.
Delete1. After a fight, it is traditional in polite Eve circles to say "gf" in local.
2. A fight took place.
3. Therefore, a "gf" should have been dropped in local.
Now you may sputter that killing a pod is not a "fight". But a "fight" is anytime one (or more) ships makes another (or more) ships blow up. It does *not* require that both ships shoot at each other; if that were the case, a fight in which one participant was too ECM'd, or too effectively kited and damped, to shoot back would not be a fight, and that'd be stupid.
Do you understand now? Here's hoping you do, and that you'll be polite enough to drop your local gankers a "gf" after your next ganking death. It wouldn't do to be impolite in the New Highsec, after all.
If two man stand to each other, one pointing a gun against the unarmed one's head. Then he shoots, killing the man. If CODE call that a fight, I assume it's because fights would be rare for them otherwise. The rest of us call it an execution.
DeleteAnd just admit. Having to say "gf" after that has nothing to do with politiness, it's about rubbing it in the victim's face. The same reason why the ganker posts the killmail in the local. It's a shame for CODE.
Now you need to explain the issue with the previous blog entry. See my post above (November 13, 2014 at 10:56 PM)
Yapp code-monkeys are about griefing, not fighting.
DeleteAutopilots are victims to ganks, but still code-monkeys grief on.
Never talk to those idiots in private or local and if you need to autopilot, do not ignore that you might get ganked.
The only fight that bot-aspirants wish to participate in is a fight over the definition of a word. Defending themselves in-game is, for whatever reason, anathema to their twisted sense of logic and ethics.
DeleteAnd CODE can't win even that fight.
DeleteAnon@5:43
DeleteAw, and here I'd thought you might understand now. Welp, guess I've got explain even further.
Your metaphor, while it might be appealing to you because it reinforces your sense of helplessness and victimization, is incomplete. The interaction between Code-enforcers and miners does not begin when they warp into the belt and vaporize some illegal mining equipment. It begins when the miners first make a character in eve. At that moment, and at every subsequent one, the miners can choose to fit guns on their ships, to fly combat ships, to fly with escorts, to fly in controllable null-sec space, etc etc. The miner agreed to *play eve* by making a character, and eve is a gritty game in which you are never safe, you are always subject to attack, and you are always engaged in some form of pvp. If the miner, in the face of all that, chooses to be unarmed (or to autopilot in a pod), that's on their heads, not ours.
To modify your metaphor: If two men agree to fight each other, then one of them tosses all his weapons away and goes to sleep, and the other shoots him anyway...yes, that's a fight. A fight with an insane person with no sense of self-preservation, but still a fight. Now what I have to wonder is, why expend all this energy trying to defend the insane person?
No, requiring miners to meet the bare minimum of in-game civility is not about "rubbing it in the victim's face". It's about holding all players, even miners and bot-aspirants, to the same basic standards. It's about making highsec a civil and polite society, as opposed to the cesspool your kind have made it so far. It's a shame you can't understand that...we really are trying to help you. Speaking of which, would you like to purchase a mining permit now?
Whether it's their choice to have weapons or not is irrelevant. One party did have weapons, the other did not. Could be stupid, but that's also irrelevant.
DeleteIf we look at your metaphor then... no, it wasn't a fight. Even if they agreed to fight, the other did not, and the other one executed him.
The energy I'm putting here is my feeble attempt to make CODE more reasonable and more welcoming. Currently you're little more than common pirates. I am aware that the attempt will most likely fail, but I am just trying to save you from yourself. And I'm not even asking a writing permit, aren't I the generous one?
I don't need your permit, thank you for asking. Now, please do address the issue presented in the post published November 13, 2014 at 10:56 PM
It's a pity that you need everything spelled out for you. You won't go far in life until you learn to think things out for yourself, you know.
DeleteJames understands that some of the more extremist carebears (like yourself) have strange ideas of what constitutes "a fight". You and I, for example, disagree on whether the skillful ganking of an autopiloting pod constitutes a "fight" or an "execution" (which to me seems like pointless hair-splitting, but hell, when the only pvp you can engage in is blog comments, I guess you have to grab onto anything you can). It was probably his hope that, even for the anti-pvp extremists like yourself, a fight in which shots *were* fired would be unambiguously a fight. When James said "The mouthy Orca pilot sent some serious combat drones against him, so it was a real fight." he was speaking specifically to you and yours, the ones who (for whatever pointless reason) obsess over whether ganking is "real" pvp or not. *Even for you*, a fight in which both parties shoot at each other should qualify as a real fight. For us, obviously, it would've been a fight even without the drones.
You see how generous James is? Even on his blog, by and for gankers, he reaches out to your wretched kind. Seems to me that the only appropriate form of thanks you could give would be buying a permit.
I don't think you'll win there Maria: there are too many syllables. So may I?
DeleteDear carebear: read this and read well. It is a sign of courtesy - that's "good manners" as your mother might have taught you - to swap a "gf" after any violent meeting, regardless of how one-sided that may have been. The words used do not necessarily have to be "gf", they can be anything polite.
Do you now understand?
Whether is a "fight" or "execution" is indeed hairsplitting, but that's only because of that "gf" in local. If you managed to gank me (which will not happen), you'd want me to lie to you so you feel good about yourself? Not going to happen, I am not like your fellow CODE members, I don't lie.
DeleteNow, if the requirement would be just to compliment for the gank, gg (for good gank), nice gank, or something like that, then it would be a different matter.
I could buy the permit, but I don't want it. Besides, I don't feel the need to thank James. I think he rather should be thanking me for all my help here.
I see another Anon posted more clear explanation. That'll do. Thanks.
Delete"Now, if the requirement would be just to compliment for the gank, gg (for good gank), nice gank, or something like that, then it would be a different matter."
DeleteGood, you have nailed it. It's just common courtesy: a very rare thing indeed within highseccers even amongst themselves. Hence the need for the Code. I do hope you remain courteous and polite to all you meet, and so you see that when you do, the Code wins. That's what it's for.
And for this you should thank James. It's only the polite thing to do.
I am polite because that's how I was raised, and that's how I am. I don't think Code has anything to do with it. On the contrary, the Code has angered me, and angered people are not always as polite as they'd be otherwise. That's why you see obnoxious miners. You anger them. You ridicule them. And you expect them to be polite. Something that not even all Knights of New Order, or whatever you call your fleet of gankers, are capable of.
DeleteYes, I'd like others to be polite towards me. However, I don't want them to be forced to be polite towards me. That's not politeness then, it's only fear.
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away someone said: "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." This is the path CODE has chosen.
So far James has done nothing for me to thank, but if you think it'd be polite of me to thank him for that, then sure.
Thanks for nothing, James
"On the contrary, the Code has angered me, and angered people are not always as polite as they'd be otherwise. That's why you see obnoxious miners. You anger them."
DeletePoliteness isn't only an obligation when you feel triumphant and happy (assuming miners are even capable of experiencing those peaks of human emotion). Politeness is an obligation all the time, even when you've just suffered a defeat at the hands of one of our dashing gangs of gankers. Your parents, presumably, taught you to behave politely through discipline. Behaving politely can be difficult, and it is not immediately gratifying; these traits make polite behavior difficult for children and carebears to learn. In the case of children, their parents provide disciplinary measures in order to encourage them to learn polite behavior in spite of their undisciplined natures. In the case of carebears, James provides disciplinary measures in order to encourage them to learn polite behavior in spite of their undisciplined natures. Do you see the parallels? We don't call James "The Father of Highsec" flippantly, you know.
You should thank the gankers who defeat your mining barge for a good fight, because it is polite to do so. And you should thank James when his disciples discipline you, because he is your Father and without him, polite behavior in eve would be beyond you.
Maria is as delightfully succinct as always, and raises the serious point that non-compliant carebears have no self control. Like a puppy that cannot control its bladder, the alcoholic who cannot resist the meths, the tramp that feels just fine in using his trousers as a toilet, the angry carebear cannot control his base compulsions. It would be impolite and uncivil not to point this out.
DeleteThis is why the Code is englightenment, this is why following the Code is necessary for civilised discourse, and why 10million is a token of the proof needed to show you are mature enough to be in our beautiful highsec.
So you could say that without the Code the non-compliant are stuck at potty training? Perhaps, but that would be rude, and I don't say that at all.
You don't have to preach me about politeness, in my opinion I am well above the standard. Even angry I don't have trouble being polite, although I may have a sharp tongue.
DeleteNice of you to assume I have a mining barge. I do have a mining vessel. It's a Venture, I bought it for some tutorial mission, and it has not really been in use since. So far I have not been ganked even once.
As you can see, my anger does not come from me losing ships to gankers, it comes from the general attitude of James and his disciples. You are arrogant bunch of capsuleers. My anger also comes from my empathy towards miners, haulers and others you choose to whack around the high sec.
I don't recognize James as my father, even figuratively speaking.
Many carebears have a high opinion of their own politeness and worth, even as they spew their filth into local. I'm sure Shadowknight would tell you, if you asked, that he's quite a polite fellow. This is why we don't trust carebears to police themselves, or to determine for themselves what qualifies as politeness. If we did, we'd just get more of the same vileness in our highsec's local chats, instead of nice wholesome praising of The Code. Instead, you have James and us, his representatives, to clearly and simply explain to you what's right. And what's right in this case, is to drop your local agents a "gf" in local after a ganking. Even if it is a ganking you just witnessed but did not participate in, be polite, be neighborly, and compliment others on a job well done. It's only proper.
DeleteIt is a shame that you choose to believe we're arrogant. This could not be further from the truth; given the awesome responsibility we have over the well-being of highsec and its entire carebear population, and the admirable way in which we've been discharging those responsibilities, your average Agent and Knight are actually incredibly humble and self-effacing. We do recognize our achievements of course, as all must. But what seems like boasting to a carebear is only the barest, minimum recognition of all the good we do. If we were to *really* try to boast, we'd end up posting even more (and more self-servingly) than Veers!
It's ok that you do not yet recognize James as your in-game Father. Many do not. You'll see the light and join our fold eventually. When you search your feelings, you'll know it to be true.
Many carebears have a high opinion of their own politeness and worth, even as they spew their filth into local. I'm sure Shadowknight would tell you, if you asked, that he's quite a polite fellow. This is why we don't trust carebears to police themselves, or to determine for themselves what qualifies as politeness. If we did, we'd just get more of the same vileness in our highsec's local chats, instead of nice wholesome praising of The Code. Instead, you have James and us, his representatives, to clearly and simply explain to you what's right. And what's right in this case, is to drop your local agents a "gf" in local after a ganking. Even if it is a ganking you just witnessed but did not participate in, be polite, be neighborly, and compliment others on a job well done. It's only proper.
DeleteIt is a shame that you choose to believe we're arrogant. This could not be further from the truth; given the awesome responsibility we have over the well-being of highsec and its entire carebear population, and the admirable way in which we've been discharging those responsibilities, your average Agent and Knight are actually incredibly humble and self-effacing. We do recognize our achievements of course, as all must. But what seems like boasting to a carebear is only the barest, minimum recognition of all the good we do. If we were to *really* try to boast, we'd end up posting even more (and more self-servingly) than Veers!
It's ok that you do not yet recognize James as your in-game Father. Many do not. You'll see the light and join our fold eventually. When you search your feelings, you'll know it to be true.
"Even angry I don't have trouble being polite, although I may have a sharp tongue." Excellent, manners maketh man, but why be angry over a video game? Please don't be like that foolish adolescent veers.
Delete"Nice of you to assume I have a mining barge. I do have a mining vessel. It's a Venture, I bought it for some tutorial mission, and it has not really been in use since. "
I am at turns apologetic to assume you have such a ship, and am shocked and a little disbelieving that this noble beast has not yet been used as bait.
You keep pouring that - for the lack of better word - propaganda of yours. Unlike you, I don't need anyone else to think for me, I can think for myself.
DeleteI know you are aware that CODE does not make you polite when facing a loss of ship. I don't know why you keep ignoring it.
I really hope you were sarcastic in your post, but I am afraid that is not the case.
This song has came to mind many times when reading this blog. It's like it'd been made about James and the rest of CODE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-1GkdgtIq0
"Excellent, manners maketh man, but why be angry over a video game? Please don't be like that foolish adolescent veers."
DeleteNo worries, I know the difference between game and real life. I hope you do too. Now, as we are clearly speaking as persons behind keyboards and not as our characters or toons in game, I have to say I don't know what kind of person Veers is in real life. I don't think you do either, so why would you insult him? You did not get angry over a video game, did you?
"I am at turns apologetic to assume you have such a ship, and am shocked and a little disbelieving that this noble beast has not yet been used as bait."
I have not played EVE that long, my PvP skills are not yet complete. Once they are, someone will probably have a chance in destroying that Venture too.
"Unlike you, I don't need anyone else to think for me, I can think for myself."
DeleteNow now, Anon@6:24, there's no need to get testy. I've been nothing but polite and respectful toward you, please return the courtesy. Like with the purchase of a mining permit, it is a token gesture of basic civility which costs you so little, yet improves you so much. Speaking of which, now that we've had this lovely chat and you've had the time and explanations you needed to understand our views, would you like to purchase a mining permit? Only 10m/toon/year, and they're the first step to incredible self-improvement. I really cannot overestimate how much the purchase of one (per character per year) will improve your life and the lives of those who interact with you.
"I know you are aware that CODE does not make you polite when facing a loss of ship. I don't know why you keep ignoring it."
But that's just it, the code does make polite when I lose my ships! If you look me up on eve-kill, you'll see that I am primarily an explorer. I lose ships worth 200m+ all the time to gatecamps, to explorer-hunters, to internet disconnections (damned brighthouse, and damned dropped packets), and to plain stupidity on my part. The tenets of The Code (Eve is a *game*, you are never safe, and any loss you suffer should be met with civility and grace) have led me to always treat those who defeat me cheerfully and respectfully, complimenting them on a skillful gatecamp or decloaking in the seconds it takes them to target my pod. The Code has made me a better person, and it can do the same for you.
@Anon 6:44pm
Delete"No worries, I know the difference between game and real life. I hope you do too. Now, as we are clearly speaking as persons behind keyboards and not as our characters or toons in game, I have to say I don't know what kind of person Veers is in real life. I don't think you do either, so why would you insult him? You did not get angry over a video game, did you?"
That's a fair question, and deserves a fair answer. veers is a blow-in: the kind of person who thinks that because he has newly graced the game, its rules should change to suit him. Witness his outbursts on this blog and in the EveO forums.
He claims he is a lawyer in RL, he has consistently and constantly exhibited this conceit that, as an alleged lawyer in RL, he is somehow superior to those of us who are not, no matter what our chosen paths and achievements may be.
Whether he is or not is open to question, yet anyone who does criticise him - in any way - his constant retort that they are "idiots" is... well let's say I'd expect a more enriched vocabulary from a RL lawyer.
I have a personal dislike for those who would exhibit such behaviour in a video game, let alone in RL. Grandstanding, arrogance, conceit, hypocracy are odious. As bad as bots in my view.
They suck from the game, which is in some senses a bit of a common wealth. Hence, I have a go at him at every possible moment.
Now that you do raise the question of how anonymity could bring out the worst in people. I cannot and do not know what veers is like in RL. He could be a damn good fellow for all I know. He could be a good samaritan, a teacher for special needs kids, who knows? All are possible.
So if you are reading this veers, the option's there. Stop being a dickhead, and perhaps people will be polite and helpful to you. I will, if you can meet your side of the bargain. And I'll even start capitalizing your name for once.
You, Anon of 6:44pm, have not shown these character flaws, and I wish you well in getting some PVP in and to enjoy a side of the game that, although is at first sight daunting, is absurd fun, even when you blow up.
If you want to get some advice, send a mail to me in confidence. My character is Dr Tyler.
"the code does make polite when I lose my ships!"
DeleteI was not speaking about you, but especially that one CODE member who lots his cool after being ganked in low sec. But as I can already be polite when losing a ship, I don't think I need CODE to teach me that.
"The Code has made me a better person, and it can do the same for you."
But I already am the best person anyone can be. I have the looks, money, personality, behaviour... actually I have only one flaw - I am too humble ;D
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"He claims he is a lawyer in RL"
I have seen claims about CODE RL jobs, none of which has been average jobs, and has included lawyer.
Actually, as I read your issues with Veers, I can put many of those qualities on CODE, and that's why I annoy Maria and other CODE people here. Amusingly similar reasons but from opposing trenches.
Thank you for the offer, I'll keep you in mind should I need that advice.
Sounds like GF and that Shadowknight lost.. Seems legit
ReplyDeleteNo, highsec lost, it is severely infected with code monkeys that are led by a buffoon...
ReplyDeleteThis here reminds me of that guy Veers who:
ReplyDelete1. Thinks after bumping concord needs to take action against the bumper
2. highsec pvp should not be allowed
3. new players start eve with 25mil SP and a freighter and a purpled up mach.
4. Has no clue how eve economy works... no clue!!!
5. stays in his 1 man chickenshit corp for fear of becoming an actual war target.
6. due to #5 he's never really engaged in eve content outside of incursions
Also I was watching an old episode of MASH the other day, does anyone think Veers is like the modern day Major Frank Burns? The guy in camp nobody likes.
Hot Lips likes him :P
Deletemore lies, eh?
Delete1. Nope....free warp off - not CONCORD response - stop lying.
2. Nope, another lie.
3. Liar
4. More lies - I have a much better grasp of it than anyone in the game.
5. I act rationally - tax free and no wars...sounds like a winner
6. I'm engaged in the content I enjoy. I play for fun - not to please you.
When do you plan to stop lying Code Monkey?
I love you Veers, you are always up for distorting your own truth:
Delete1. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4980517
have a good read at how you want concord punishing HS ganking
2. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4984014
Veers on shutting down HS ganking
3. I asked you a week ago to define the new player and you basically said it's anyone in HS. so this is not a lie, you want free SP and isk for all players.
4. LOL should you take the time to read several of your eve trolls you'll not find one person whom agrees with you... just show me one person!
5. you are in a chickshit corp because you are a chickenshit tea partier and modern day Major Frank Burns
6. yes you are all about pleasing yourself just like Major Frank Burns
Veers may I offer you some burn cream?
Delete1. Learn to read....my proposal was for a 60 second free warp off after a gank attempt, not for CONCORD to kill bumpers. When will you stop lying?
Delete2. More lies...read my posts. I support suicide ganking but would like -EV ganking to be deterred. Not "highsec pvp should not be allowed." Why do you lie?
3. No, new players are players not yet familiar with the game and the despicable people who make up Eve. It's not about time or sp or wealth, it's about experience.
4. Lots of people....the guy who gave me 4 billion isk...the people who want to ban all pvp in highsec...the ragequit freighter pilots, etc...go read the forums.
5. No, as CCP put it in the CSM minutes, there is no rational reason to be in a highsec corp
6. Uh huh, idiot.
@Anonymous @3:21 AM I congratulate you for these delicious veers tears. Seeing him make a fool of himself on every single point he tries to make, over and over again, is a pleasure to behold.
Delete@Veers, thank you for your tears. But I have faith. Even you, impervious to reason, bereft of any insight, bring value to this game we love. That value are your tears, and long and heavy may they flow.
Tears - *eyeroll*
DeleteWriting a bunch of half witted lies ain't getting ya tears. Come try and blow me up in the game for that - clowns.
You seem angry veers, please tell us more.
DeleteDid someone disrespect you? Did someone imply you were failing in some way? That perhaps you are quite wrong, factually morally and intellectually, in everything you say? Was someone just a tiny bit rude? You who sees nothing wrong in your vainglory, that perhaps you have so little to be vainglorious about?
Oh wait, there's this: https://zkillboard.com/kill/41637035/ Blowing up an entirely unarmed destroyer, with not a single drone on a drone boat, with a shiny cynabal without even the self respect of T2 guns. Who's the ganker scum now eh Veers?
The CODE always wins!!!! ALWAYS!!!!
ReplyDeletek
DeleteThe CODE always wins!!!! ALWAYS!!!!
DeleteI played a pivotal role in getting code gankers banned.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the 'Internet Tough Guy' link, Saviour, really enjoyed that - especially the final comment!
ReplyDeleteah still buttlicking.
DeleteOf all code-monkeys your are the most slimiest one.
I respect the code and all, but they should not make the claim that they always win, twice the have failed to gank my Mack, the first time was a few month back and they made the mistake of not doing a ship scan and thought 2 cats could take down a Mack, nope, you see i'm not a retard, i actually tank my ships, they got half way through my structure hit points but i was just getting back into eve after taking a 2 year break from eve so i didn't have enough isk to make a super effective sheild tank, but it worked. Fast forward 3 months and I now have enough isk to properly tank my Mack, but it remained untested until 2 weeks or so ago, this time they still failed to do a ship scan, but they increased in numbers from last time and sent 4 cats to gank my Mack instead of just 2. My shield tank was so effective (85%-90% resists across the board with overload and orca boost) that they only got 95% through my shields and then concord showed up and blew em up, funny as hell, totally worth the isk put into the tank for the lolz.. I really wish i could've seen their faces when they opened fire and their guns were doing such little hp damage. now you may ask, why don't you purchase a permit instead of poring so much isk into tanking your ship? simple, i like the content CODE adds to the game and I enjoy the hunter vs pray aspect that is also added, that is why I purchased 150 shares and plan on purchasing more soon, I actually support the code but do not follow it just for the thrill of it. Now i'm not going to give out my character name so you code enforcers can wardec my corp and make us pay, but I will tell you where I ice mine and where CODE activity needs more activity, Osmon and Wuos. Good luck in ganking me but send more than 4 cats when you gank a Mack :) I would also like to understand why you claim to always win when I have seen first hand code failing so please respond with an answer.
ReplyDeleteYou have tanked your ship. That means you follow the Code. The Code wins. Always.
DeleteCode also says he has to have a mining permit, which he doesn't have. Therefore Code did not win. Sorry to burst your bubble.
DeleteI am also a share holder and have had a "failed gank" from a CODE pilot. It is good that they do not show favouritism and being a shareholder does not exempt you from being ganked if not comlying with the code.
DeleteWhen a gank fails because you have too much tank, CODE has in fact won because you are compliant with the code because you have sacrificed something to get the tank and are thinking about the environment you are in instead of assuming highsec is like a single player game.
You're assuming that the player would've not put the tank on the ship without CODE. If he actually played the game as CODE would want him to regardless of CODE, then CODE did not win because there was no struggle in the first place. On the other hand it did lose that gank. From that we can conclude that CODE lost.
DeleteIt looks like CODE is more about self deception than anything else. From it's point of view it wins always, and owns high sec space. From our point of view, neither of these claims hold water. There's more, but you should get the idea.
You're really going to expect anyone to pretend it's reasonable to believe that a miner would fit for anything except pure yield, if it weren't for the risk of ganking by Code-enforcers?
DeleteYou seem to have fundamentally misunderstood "Code always wins!". It's a matter of attitude. When we encounter set-backs, we don't whine, cry to ccp, and give up. We pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and think of a new way of accomplishing our goals. We don't stop, we don't quit, and we don't get discouraged. That's why we always win.
You don't whine? You don't cry? How about those bans, I've seen a lot of whining about it. You do lie a lot. About winning too.
DeleteYou're avoiding the point of the conversation.
DeleteMiners would never fit tanks on their ships if it weren't for us. When a miner sacrifices yield in favor of tank, they are acknowledging our power, acknowledging that there is risk in highsec, and responding intelligently to our behavior. They are following the spirit of the Code, even if, in their misguided anger, they still have not bought a permit. When a miner fits his skiff for tank instead of yield, it is our victory, for we have managed to force him to improve in spite of himself.
Anon@12:37 gets it. Anon@8:57 is on his way toward understanding. Don't worry, you too will someday grasp this concept, even if takes you longer than your fellows.
If he did that because of you, then sure. If he didn't, then not. Without further information from the miner himself, we can't be sure.
DeleteMaybe you'll understand it too someday. Maybe.
Anon@3:08
Delete"You're really going to expect anyone to pretend it's reasonable to believe that a miner would fit for anything except pure yield, if it weren't for the risk of ganking by Code-enforcers?"
Perhaps you missed my earlier comment. Care to respond to it now? Why else would a miner sacrifice yield (and their precious, all-important profits) in favor of tank, if not as a response to the threat of ganking?
CODE members are not the only gankers out there.
DeleteCode-supporters are far and away the most numerous, best organized, most prolific gankers. You conceded that if a miner sacrificed yield for tank as a response to Code-enforcing gankers, that was a victory for The Code. Now your fallback position is that it is *possible*, however unlikely, that a money-grubbing carebear sacrificed money for tank, not as a result of the group which makes up the vast majority of gankers, but as one of these elusive non-Code gankers. That's what you're going with? That it is "only" exceedingly probable that any given carebear who fits a tank or flies a skiff represents a victory for the Code?
DeleteIt takes only one miner who has tanked his vessel regardless of CODE who denies the gank, and you can't say you "WIN!!!! ALWAYS!!!!" without lying.
DeleteSo what you're saying is, we only win 99.9999% of the time?
DeleteSo what you're saying is, The Code wins only 99.9999% of the time?
DeleteI don't know of the percentage, but I'm pretty sure it's closer to 99.999999% than 100%
DeleteWhy not buy a permit?
ReplyDeleteNot even for free, wearing a permit is a badge of shame. It says: "I was so stupid, i submited to some idiots and i mght get up blown anyway."
So many tears over an empty pod, and yet CODE are the sociopaths? LOL
ReplyDeleteAgreed. The care bears draw vast conclusions about the player behind the game character, yet reveal themselves as loathesome with every rant in local. Their foul language, obsession with violent gay sex, pervasive racism, and general frothing at the mouth over a video game brands each of them as being as pathetic in real life as their characters are in the game.
DeleteWhere did the bad miner touch you? In any case, there's no need to get so angry over a video game. Please, dry your tears. For such violent bursts I prescribe two hours of mining in 0.5+ system daily, it'll sooth your nerves.
DeleteIn all seriousness, you just lowered yourself to the same level with the lowest of miners, well done. You should really consider quitting EVE if you get that kind of emotions from it, it's clearly not good for you. I hope you get better.
Sincerely,
CareBear
Miners touch no one. Mining lasers cannot be activated on other ships. Thus, your argument fails immediately and further demonstrates your lack of even the most basic grasp of Eve Online mechanics. Really, you should make even some attempt at knowing how Eve works before posting on the subject.
DeleteNo one that embraces the CODE could ever be lowered to the level of the miner, afk'er, or care bear. Simply by association with the Savior of High Sec, we have already been lifted far beyond the rabble of the high sec hobo.
Good try though, thanks for playing. Here's a shiny ball, go bounce it in a corner with the other 'special' people. You need something to occupy your time while logged in, as actually playing Eve doesn't seem to be within your grasp. I suggest finger painting, or once you've proven you can be trusted not to simply eat them, crayons.
More tears? You are so sad person :(
DeleteNow the RL stuff:
Maybe you have not noticed, but real life is not the one you have in EVE. Your, as a player, not as a game character, association with "Savior" does not lift you anywhere. It might lift your e-peen, but I don't want to know about that.
I was not playing. I was serious. I did not receive a shiny ball, internet does not transfer physical objects. If you can't tell the difference between yourself and your EVE character, get professional help. I am not qualified to provide that for you.
Thanks for the CODE, IT brings more fun in high sec, keep going ^^
ReplyDeleteI honestly wait with anticipation for the day that the one and only true God comes around and lays the smack down on all your heretic candy-asses, code-monkeys. But if He does, I'm sure you'll just run like mad to the nearest station, anyway...
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