...But they can make things get dark in a hurry. Welcome to the latest edition of the Grab Bag!
I prefer to give miners the benefit of the doubt, whenever practical. For instance, I'll assume Hellspawnedneko Inkura was referring to the British Broadcasting Corporation.
Unfortunately, not all miners leave room for doubt.
I'm beginning to sense a pattern here. Time for more eloquent tears?
This goes on, but I think you get the idea. To address the core of it, why do you have "concerns"? If you have the Code, you don't need to be concerned about anything. Victory is assured.
Even the carebears have begun to recognize how cliché they are. Newtons Isaac didn't bother finishing his "if you want PvP, go to lowsec" line.
...But he couldn't resist returning to it. Carebears, if you're so good at PvE, why don't you do that in lowsec?
Thanks to the New Order's widespread network of Agents, carebears are held accountable for their outbursts. After Salaris Kaiser sent this message, one of our other Agents forwarded it to Salaris' CEO and threatened a wardec.
Salaris wasn't too happy when he found out.
I believe a "pscholagist" would refer to this as projection.
Confirmed, and you're welcome!
You do not truly know someone until you gank them. At least, that's what some guy in one of the Matrix sequels said. And he's right, it is a litmus test. Antimatter separates the good EVE players from the bad.
Day by day, we make good players feel more welcome in highsec, and we make bad players feel more free to explore other options.
If Agent Zopiclone's ship hangar is any indication, highsec has a brilliant future. We only need the courage to build it.
The carebears keep failing and the New Order keeps winning.
ReplyDeletePraise John
The New Order always wins!
ReplyDeleteAlso, all of those miners really need to calm down. With the exception of Selerian and Colonel Clusterschmuck. The Goonswarm has sent 1 billion ISK to each of them for their grace and style as demonstrated on this blog, and will continue to reward miners who behave in this manner.
All miners should take a lesson from them. When a elite PVP space battle takes place between a New Order agent and a citizen, and the New Order agent wins (which we always do), the only proper response is to thank us and give a 'Good Fight' in local. It's even written down in the New Halaima Code Of Conduct for easy reference!
I hope everyone is having a safe, happy and CODE compliant holiday weekend!
Well,I for one am having a safe code free weekend...not letting any lie from the buffoon of Highsec ruin my weekend
DeleteHappy holiday weekend, buffoon anon! Would not be the same without you, thank you for supporting the blog by refreshing the page and posting.
DeleteI don't think you should provide financial incentive to behave. People should behave for free.
DeleteDon't get me wrong, as a miner myself I appreciate the kindness in a random pat on the back like this, but that these people had no cause to think they'd receive anything for their excellent behavior is why they deserved to receive it.
@1:31PM
DeleteBut, we do that well. It's public information, that cannot be falsified, and it's easy to look up on CREST verified killboard. The CODE. alliance + Goonswarm's Ministry Of Love are the #1 ranked elite PVP'ers in the game right now. Look it up. I'm sorry if it makes you upset, but numbers do not lie.
If you are claiming that a single permit holder who was following the CODE has ever been ganked, yes, you do need to prove something. It's called "Burden Of Proof". You are making this claim, it's up to you to provide evidence, not up to Wolf or myself to somehow disprove your claim. I can claim that if you fly all the way to the EVE gate there is a floating pink unicorn if you just get really close, and if I made such a claim it would be up to me to prove it, not up to you to fly there and prove me wrong.
This is how science works, and New Order agents have respect for the established scientific method, and for the cold hard API verified data provided by CREST verified killmails. When you have proof that shows otherwise, please present it here. Until then, would you like to purchase a permit?
The Code ALWAYS Wins!!!!!! ALWAYS!!!!!
ReplyDeleteAlways and forever.
DeleteIt's incredible that carebears don't show a little bit more humor in their interactions with the New Order folks.
ReplyDeleteThe average carebear seems incapable of recognizing that the important features of New Order culture also happen to be the important features of any well developed, and properly functioning society.
√ Politeness and good manners.
√ Teamwork and discipline.
√ Democracy.
√ A rational balance between individual right and collective obligation.
√ A soldier class of warrior poets, men of learning, and cunning femme fatales.
Miner, calm down. We still have permits for sale. They are not sold out.
ReplyDeleteWould you like to buy a Mining Permit™?
Should you ever find yourself the victim of other people's bitterness, smallness, or insecurities, remember that things could be worse....
ReplyDeleteYou could be an agent of code.
Miner, i'm sorry but we are really going to need to you just calm down.
DeleteAnonymous July 4, 2015 at 9:44 PM thanks for sharing your bitterness, smallness and insecurities.
DeleteThe email "concerns" up there says it all. Its only 10 mil, but it would really suck to lose a freighter to you guys after following all your rules. It really takes from your credibility as well.
ReplyDeleteNot a single pilot in the history of EVE online who is:
Delete1) Holding a valid permit
2) Following the CODE to the letter
has ever been ganked. I'm sorry, but that's just the facts.
Yep, that one gets filled right next to the lie that the new order has sovereignty in Highsec...keep the lies coming chocolatemooses, I know you can do it....
DeleteMiner, please calm down. It sounds like you might not have a valid Mining Permit™.
DeleteWould you like to buy a Mining Permit™?
Im sure this anonymous poster can provide us with some evidence of a permit holder getting ganked XD
DeleteNo one ever claimed that high-sec was sov space. There is no sov system in place in high sec.
DeleteThe new order does not have sov in highsec as that's not even possible. That's just silly. Sov has nothing to do with "control", it just means that you can place sov structures and system upgrades in that system. The goonswarm could have full sov over a system, but if a hostile force brought in enough firepower to control that system, our sov is meaningless. Control is king, not upgrades.
We control highsec with force. Highsec is ours by the might and holy word of James 315. There's a huge difference, and I hope that you see and understand it. If you want to change that, get a savior who can inspire as many people as we have and fight us. Take control. Embrace the sandbox.
There is not a sov system in low sec either. However, some groups control various spots in low sec with military might. Same thing.
If you want to control high-sec with military might as we do, then all you need to do is start beating us in battle. Do it. You'll need actual proof that you have won battles by bringing forces that shut down our operations.
No one is talking about the sov system. Why did you even bring it up? It's insane to think we can somehow use game mechanics that are not even enabled in the systems we control.
But we all know what will really happen. You'll just cry on our blog about how unfair EVE is and deny the cold hard fact that New Order agents are the top rated PVPers in EVE online, as shown by killboards that are CREST verified and cannot be falsified.
no, you dont even do that well...the new order and jamie have claimed to be to government of Highsec, to be the government requires soverignty, so you have through your repeated assertions (that we all know to be complete lies) that the new order is the government of Highsec, have implicitly claimed that you have sovereignty there...no, nitetime, I do not need a permit, we all know permits are for the weak...and I do not need to provide any evidence for anything wolf...
DeleteAre you sure? It really sounds like you might need a Mining Permit™.
DeleteBeing able to revoke permits on a whim makes them unreliable.
DeleteWhy paying for a permit when you know it can be revoked arbitrarily? Better save those 10m isk then !
You pay for your driver's license; yet it can be revoked for breaking the law. The same rule applies to the Mining Permit™. It can be revoked for violating the Law of Hisec (The Code). It is not a do-what-you-want permit. It is a follow-the-Code Mining Permit™.
DeleteWould you like to buy a Mining Permit™?
@ 2:13
DeleteThe only permits we revoke is if we catch someone breaking the code (AFK mining, auto-piloting, ect)
Contrary to popular belief we have never revoked a mining permit just for the hell of it and we aren't going to start now.
@ 4:10
Miner, calm down
@Asia Leigh
Deletehttp://minerbumping.41656.x6.nabble.com/Xerxes-Fehrnah-Rogue-Agent-td6817.html
Sounds like this guy attempted to revoke everyone's permit in Iro at some point, with no follow-up investigation being shown to the good people of New Eden. What was done about it?
Anon Miner, we are really going to need you to take a deep breath and just calm down.
ReplyDeleteThese Miners should calm down and get a permit pronto!!!!!!!
ReplyDelete83 grab bags, and no sign of carebears abandoning the hope for rl death and destruction on people just playing a pvp game.
ReplyDeleteWTF kind of crazy assholes decide to mine in a pvp game then wish death upon someone.
Carebears with cancer? Carebears ARE cancer
It's like playing Call of Duty.. but just going around picking up weapons and upgrades. Then getting mad when someone shoots you.
DeleteI've always had a hard time understand the RL death thing. I've screwed up plenty of times in EVE, lost ships of higher value then any mining ship, and every time I learn something new and get better and try to not make the same mistake twice.
Deleteno, Anonymous@12:27, it is the new order and jamie that are the cancer, and for Eve, I fear it is a terminal cancer...
DeleteDon't be afraid. Get your very own Mining Permit™ today and live in peace!
DeleteAlso... Please try to calm down, miner.
Delete@ anon 133
DeleteWrong. CODE is more like the surgeons knife, removing the shitfit tumors.
It is not the Agents fault that a catalyst is more of a broadsword than a scalpel
show some respect to them....they the fuckers who provide your ships....(albiet making me lose money)...btw your mom and sisters are delicious..send your wife/gf next time
DeleteKnock, knock...
ReplyDeleteSome personal thoughts. No trolling this time...well maybe....
ReplyDeleteI like space games. I'm old enough to have played the original Wing Commander, and WC2 games. This was before Origin Systems was bought out by Electronic Arts in the 1990's. I've also played a game called Silpheed. Remember that one? In 2005, I signed up for World of Warcraft and played that continuously until about the spring of 2013. Then I took a break for about a year. I played Mists of Pandaria, which was lame. I ended up canceling my subscription about a year ago because of it. I haven't really looked back since then.
When I first tried EvE, I had a really hard time with it so I gave it up. About 6 months later, I tried it again and did much better. I really do like the format of the game, but it can be boring as hell at times. In fact, I joined a highsec mining corp and for the first year or so, spent my time mining. Then I tried my hand at nullsec PvP. It was fun. Finally, I've been running incursions and I have made billions doing it. Now that I have been in this game for going on 2 years now, I believe that I can speak with enough knowledge and intelligence to offer an opinion of the game.
As most MMORPGs go, EvE Online is based on self determination. In other words, one plays the game the way that they want to. However, what makes EvE stand apart from other games is that fraud, scams, and theft is not only allowed but actively encouraged. Trying some of these in WoW will earn you a permanent ban from the game. If, in real life, humanity was part of a larger interstellar community, I would expect it to be alot like EvE.
Another observation about EvE is because it is based on self determination, one generally chooses how much social interaction they want in the game. This really brings up a little pet peeve of mine. Mining and hauling requires absolutely NO social interaction what-so-ever. Mining is not bad if you have other people around to talk to, but solo mining is just mind-numbingly boring. Even when using a Hulk/Covetor with an Orca booster/hauler, where you have to pay attention all the time doesn't help. You do make ISK mining, but it's nothing compared to running missions or incursions.
In order to play this game and not be bored silly, you need to have people to talk to. People to interact with. Because if a game isn't fun, people will leave. Trust me, solo mining is not fun, been there, done that. This is probably the main reason why many solo miners use bots to play the game. I know I was seriously exploring that option myself. Hauling isn't fun either, even though it's different type of grind than mining. Moving through 30 jumps in a slow ass freighter is not something that I find enjoyable. Even exploration, after a while, gets boring. I find that shooting things, be it NPCs or other players, is much more enjoyable. However, shooting people who cannot shoot back I have a problem with as there is little risk of failure if done right. But I'm not a suicide ganker so I wouldn't know.
Now, with all this in mind, I do find myself agreeing to some of the ideology of James 315. Removing all the role playing bullshit, on this blog and in the game, at the heart of the matter, it's all about having fun. It's all about showing other players how much more of this game there is to experience. How much more fun it can really be. Social interaction is what brings much of that fun. Flying in fleets, the comradery, and the fleet fights adds so much more to the experience of what this game is really about. All the solo activities such as mining, hauling, exploring, planetary interaction, etc... is just scratching the surface of so much more. I have done all those things and they become boring after awhile, except maybe the combat sites/missions. 4K limit exceeded, continue:->Next Post
Prev Post:->Continued: So yeah, player interaction is key to having fun, and the New Order brings that. However, the problem that I have is that for whatever reason, some people don't want it and the New Order forces it on them. Don't get me wrong, I understand the reason why, I just don't entirely agree with the methods. With some of the reactions I see from getting ganked, if people don't want social interaction, then they don't want it, leave them alone and move on. Even if you forcefully make them interact, you can't make them want it. It's their choice how they wish to play the game. Older characters especially probably will not embrace social interaction regardless of what you do or how many times you kill them. They will most likely get pissed off and quit the game. For what it is worth, I definitely don't agree with scamming and stealing from other players. But, it is all part of the sandbox, so all I can say is go forth and have fun.
DeleteTLDR: Last 5 words of your post.
DeleteBM, I've said it before, and I'll repeat it now--you're on our side. You just haven't realized it yet.
DeleteWhen you're ready, I've got a Catalyst with your name on it. I'll keep the engine warm for you.
Come on in for the big win.
tl;dr I deserve attention as i'm a EVE player who is at least 30 years old and remembers 90's video gaming and omg guies I am "not trolling"
Deleteplease tell us more of this unique wisdom you have as a middle age man who plays eve online.
now, when you can tell me how to ascend as a wishless vegan atheist pacifist illiterate tourist without save scumming I will at least give you points for trying to drop old man cred on all of us kids who must be too young to really 'get you', old man :-)
Also, after your 12th paragraph, I started getting light-headed, and had to stop and set up a base camp to rest while the Sherpas went ahead to scout out the rest of your post. But after a long nap and some serious re-hydration, I was able to push through and finish my ascent. I don’t know that I’ve ever been more proud of myself.
DeleteI actually really enjoyed BM's post - these are strange times, indeed. As 290 already mentioned, I definitely encourage BM to at least *try* suicide-ganking once or twice. Afterwards you can always say "I knew i'd hate it, and I was right", but you should still give it a shot at least once in your EvE career.
Delete"However, the problem that I have is that for whatever reason, some people don't want it [social interaction] and the New Order forces it on them."
"However, the problem that I have is that for whatever reason, some people don't want it and the New Order forces it on them."
EvE is, by virtue of taking place in a single universe, a game where every player can (and does, to varying extents) influence each other. There's simply no way to get around that.
I don't know if you ever read the thread where CCP Falcon asked for community feedback regarding the bumping mechanic (this was around the time that the New Order first began suicide ganking), but much of my thoughts on this matter are contained therein. The thread is about bumping, but the arguments made can be generalized to all forms of non-consensual player interaction (including ganking).
forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=176498
One more thing, as a point of some historical relevance: 290 was the one who, by way of the butterfly effect, caused the New Order to begin suicide ganking. One day, instead of bumping miners in the Abudban icebelt, 290 said, "hey wanna try suicide ganking?" And the rest is history.
DeleteSo it seems very appropriate that he would be the one who takes babby on a first gank.
What about Zork, BM, you did not mention Zork...
Deletejesus christ dude you're this old and this is the shit you're posting on the internet? that gave me an honest LOL. dude, re-evaluate your life.
DeleteWhat did you expect? I'm an old usenet/fidonet troll. I excel at shit posting because it and your reactions humor me. I have evaluated my life, it seems to be working just fine for me.
Deleteah I see, so you feel you add value to the proceedings?
Deletehey guys i'm a middle aged man which is very rare on the internet as well as a super elite troll who is really not trolling lol i'm so random oh god wait i just cut myself on this sharp edge brb
DeleteEve is a sandbox.
ReplyDeleteSo, if i wish to mine, then so be it, it's my choice.
If CODE wants to destroy me because i mine, then so be it, it's their choice.
In the end, as long as i still play Eve the way I want to, then CODE does NOT win. I win. :)
Sounds like the New Order winning to me. You admit to not following the CODE, and realize you can be destroyed at any moment for your behavior, and are totally fine with that. You embrace the sandbox, thus you are following the CODE.
DeleteHowever, you would be much safer with a mining permit. Did you know that any authorized agent of the New Order can provide you with one for the discounted price of only ten million ISK per 365 days? Please contract any agent as soon as possible to get your space paperwork in order!
Anon has the right attitude. He can attempt to do what he wants, the New Order can attempt to influence him, and he can attempt to evade that influence.
DeleteThat's what it's all about.
True enough.
DeleteBut, despite what chocolate says, embracing the sandbox does not mean following the code. Embracing the sandbox also means playing the way you see fit.
The day i buy a permit, or go mining in a tank fit, CODE wins.
As long as i go out with, say, a max yield retriever, CODE loses.
It's as simple as that.
permits are for cowards...
ReplyDeleteWrong, Permits are for naive people who don't look for information.
DeleteMiners, Please calm down.
DeleteOh i'm perfectly calm. I just feel bad for the naive people who think code "permits" are for real.
DeleteWhat's to doubt? Thousands of players are proud permit holders, with their permits on display in their bio. Chances are, there's a couple in whatever system you are in right this very second.
DeleteSeems pretty "real" to me, angry miner. Please try to tone it down a little, there's no reason to yell at us.
Oh i'm not yelling at all o_o
DeleteAs i said, i feel bad for those poor naive people who fell for the scam. That's all ! ^^
Knock, knock...
ReplyDeleteox yoke?
Delete